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Lestat is homophobic
#25lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/23/06 at 11:56pmI get the impression some of you aren't familiar with Anne Rice's works? Exit to Eden alone would dismiss any concerns that her writings would be the slightest bit homophobic--not to mention her love and support of her very out son.
#26lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 12:07amHer son is lying. He just wants to be one of the cool kids.
And no one grew into anything new, we just became the worst of what we were."
touchmeinthemorning
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#27lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 8:16am
Being homophobic actually has nothing to do with intention of the creators of a text. It has everything to do with effect.
And, this show forces itself into a homophobic box. I'm sure Ann, Elton, and all the rest don't intend for this to be the case, but you don't have to be a published author of queer theory to see the problems with this narrative.
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BwayBaby18
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#28lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 10:59amMunk i guess you haven't seen Dracula 2001........ He clearly had sex with a chick.
#29lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 11:04am
What does DRACULA 2001 have to do with LESTAT?
This is the dumbest thread.
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#30lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 11:47am
I enjoyed the books more than the show, and the books are way homosexual. I mean, come on...
And Chris Rice is just freaky. Have you read Light Before Day? Now if THAT was a musical...
(Just kidding.)
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#31lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 11:55am
"I'm the only gay in the village"
Do you guys get Little Britain? Coz if you don't that might not make sense to you, but its in the spirit of the thread... There are clips on the BBC site, or the usual outlets.
CurtainPullDowner
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#32lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 12:07pm
Rob Roth a "luminary"???
Meteoic status in the GLBT community???
What are you high on?
One Hit Wonder is more like it.
and after LeStat opens, well, let's just see what happens.
AngusN
Broadway Star Joined: 3/23/05
#33lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 1:01pmI know I'm jumping back a little, but papalovesmambo Elton John may be gay, that doesn't mean he always upholds the rainbow flag. His involvement with a homophobe advocate, Eminem proves this.
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#34lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 1:26pmWait a minute. Elton John is GAY??????????
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touchmeinthemorning
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#36lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 1:29pm
Count of those saying this is the dumbest thread:
2
Count of those making ad hoc arguments against this thread's thesis:
4
Count of those making legit arguments:
Priceless
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#37lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 1:58pmTouchme--sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Add to your count a 3rd person who thinks this thread is ridiculous.
#38lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 2:04pmWhere's Art2 when you need him?
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touchmeinthemorning
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#39lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 2:06pm
And, as has often been said, sometimes a cigar is a big brown phallic.
In this case, that phallic is homophobic. The only representation you get of anything homosexualized is a relationship that is longed for, but must ultimately be forgotten about (in favor of a relationship with Mom and a life of solitary desire). I just don't think it's too big a leap to call this a production easy to fund with homophobic fundie dollars.
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#40lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 2:16pm
There are people who believe that Harry Potter condones the occult and satanism, etc. It doesn't matter what JK Rowling's intentions might truly be. It doesn't matter that she has simply chosen to write something that is truly magical, fun, and imaginative and innocent.
Anne Rice could have written a vampire novel like many of the others---where Dracula engages in a "love affair" with women only. Instead, she chose to obey the notion that vampires can not have sex, but infuse her novels with very pro gay/bi erotic love.
And just because you are reading too much into it, doesn't change what she created or tried to create. And I seriously doubt that when heterosexuals who are not experienced in gay culture or gay anything read her books or see two men being sensual in a film or musical of her books, they will walk away feeling that what they saw was anti-gay.
I just don't think you have a valid argument--and just like with art2's inane attacks on the Rent trailers, I think this is a ludricrous thing to get worked up about when there are so many other actual horrific things happening to gays and lesbians in the media and in politics and in society to fight against. Things that are DEFINITELY anti-gay or that DEFINITELY encourage negative stereotypes than a musical (Created by gays and gay friendly people) that MIGHT put across subliminal mistaken anti-gay thoughts.
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#41lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 3:24pmHaving read the books, there is plenty of homoerotic themes....the fact that they might be omitted from the musical version doesn't make anyone homophobic necessarily. It is a shame there isn't more of it in there, as it would add SOMETHING of real interest to the show.
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#42lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 3:31pm
"The only representation you get of anything homosexualized is a relationship that is longed for, but must ultimately be forgotten about ..."
Where were you during the Brokeback Mountain discussions, touch?
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#43lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 4:08pm
Maybe you're confusing homophobic with vampirophobic. Perhaps the "creators" just don't feel that creatures that kill and feed on humans, or doom humans to a similar existence, should get to enjoy healthy romantic relationships with anybody. Thus the lives of solitary yearning...just a thought.
Surely the vampire community should be up in arms about this portrayal...
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#44lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 4:39pmone thing i never could stand about broadway, all the g*dd*mn vampires.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
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#45lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 5:23pm
I'm not sure that there IS any argument here...
For the record, when I saw it, the guy sitting next to me kept complaining about how gay it was.
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#46lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/24/06 at 9:58pm
no he was complaining how "gay" u were.
(I couldn't resist)
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#48lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/25/06 at 3:42pmI haven't seen the show so I don't know if it's homophobic or not. As for the books (it's been a long, long time since I read them so I can't remember names) Lestat was definitely bisexual. Before being turned into a vampire he was having a love affair with another man. His attraction to Louis was homoerotic--he loved Louis because of his beauty. I believe this is all in The Vampire Lestat although it might have been Queen of the Damned--they've all joined together in my head.
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#49lestat is homophobic
Posted: 4/25/06 at 6:13pmSeriously, this notion that Lestat is homophobic is riduculous; The vampires in Anne Rice's world are all "Bi-sexual" in that they are attracted to the beauty of both sexes equally ( once they become vampires, they don't actually have sex anymore.) For me, Lestat ( the character, not the show ) is very much a metaphor for the Out and Proud gay man...I know in high school( back when I always had a tattered copy of one of the vampire chronicles in my backpack held together by a rubber band ) It was Lestat I related to the most, even when he was the "Villain" in Interview with the Vampire. I came out as gay pretty early (16) and had my first relationship around that age...my boyfriend was barely coming to terms with his sexuality and was very self loathing ( like Louis ) and it drove me crazy; I would always tell him it's simply in our nature and be proud of what you are, enough with the self hatred. But the more he fought it, the more I wanted him LOL (just like Lestat & Louis in the novels ) Of course that relationship ended badly, just like Lestat's and Louis' in the books ( and the show for that matter ) but don't relationships like that ALWAYS end badly? Is that homophobic to point that out? And it's not like his relationship with the female characters is what I'd call healthy either...Gabrielle leaves him when she simply no longer has need of him, and Claudia resents him. If all we do is present same sex relationships as perfect and flawless, that's not only lying but it is propoganda ( For a cause we may all want, but you don't get what you want but mis-representing.) Same sex relationships are just as F***ed up as everyone else's...presenting it as anything else is just a lie.
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