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Caucasian to Asian makeup tips?
nomdeplume
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/20/05
#25re: Caucasian to Asian makeup tips?
Posted: 7/28/09 at 11:55pmYou obviously failed to read my post.
#26re: Caucasian to Asian makeup tips?
Posted: 7/29/09 at 12:29am
You know, I think this brings up a good discussion about acting; forgive me if I get soapboxy, offensive or completely inappropriate for thread-jacking, but where does one draw the line when portraying a character?
The makers of "Memoirs of a Geisha" got a lot of flack because they had Chinese actors portraying Japanese people. Some people found it offensive, some people did not. In Broadway terms, Rent sticks out in my mind when so many African-American actresses portrayed Mimi, a Latina character. Of course no one batted an eye at this, probably because it was after Rent's fifteen minutes.
I think one of the best examples is Anna Deavere Smith, who portrayed about every race and sex imaginable in her one-woman piece of docudrama "Twilight: Los Angeles, 1992". As a Black woman, she portrayed men, women, Koreans, Whites, Blacks and Latinas. I think she's a bit of an exception, considering her immense talent and the fact that she was taking on the characters by herself. But, it makes one wonder, what are the limits of acting? Can a man portray a woman accurately without campy humor? Can a Black man portray a White man without prejudice?
I say apply subtle eyeliner and try to portray the Asian characters as authentically as possible. Acting is about representing a character, not about being politically correct. If no racism is intended, I don't see why it should be anything more than a challenging role.
eatlasagna
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/6/04
#27re: Caucasian to Asian makeup tips?
Posted: 7/29/09 at 12:46amsuleen... i don't correct anyone's grammar unless it's TRULY horrible... and plus i write with all elipses which bugs the crap out of people.... so thanks for not correcting that! haha
#28re: Caucasian to Asian makeup tips?
Posted: 7/29/09 at 2:28am
In Broadway terms, Rent sticks out in my mind when so many African-American actresses portrayed Mimi, a Latina character. Of course no one batted an eye at this, probably because it was after Rent's fifteen minutes.
No; it's because Latina/o has such a legitimately broad interpretation of appearance. It's just as plausible that a dark-skinned, curly haired woman from Cuba or the DR would have the surname Marquez as would a light-skinned, straight-haired woman from Madrid, or an olive-skinned woman from Bolivia.
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sn2214
Swing Joined: 11/24/07
#29re: Caucasian to Asian makeup tips?
Posted: 7/29/09 at 2:37amI do remember that 2002 revival of Flower Drum Song didn't have all Chinese cast, but I don't think any actors try to imitate Chinese accent or try to look Chinese. As for "Memoirs of Geisha," casts were speaking in English for some reason and it was such a campy film that the makers really didn't have to try so hard to be politically correct or even historically correct. I guess what I'm trying to say is that as long as characters' ethnicity is not a central point of the show, actors need not to worry about believability of their physical features.
#30re: Caucasian to Asian makeup tips?
Posted: 7/29/09 at 2:57am
One of the local high schools did Millie here last year. Bun Foo and Ching Ho were both caucasian boys with eyeliner... And Jimmy was Asian.
Not to mention that there were plenty of Asians in the ensemble.. I mean, I dunno, when it's specified that a character is supposed to be a certain race, it helps if you cast them as such. You wouldn't cast a white woman as Celie in The Color Purple, would you? I'm all for colorblind casting, but not when a character is supposed to be of a certain race.
#31re: Caucasian to Asian makeup tips?
Posted: 7/29/09 at 3:20amDon't think there won't be some questionable high school productions of The Color Purple.
#32re: Caucasian to Asian makeup tips?
Posted: 7/29/09 at 3:57am
Perhaps one particularly adventurous one will take a cue from the Blue Man Group and make them all purple. Now THAT would be colorblind casting.
Colorblind casting can be fun, though. When I was in high school, we did Damn Yankees, and cast a white guy as Joe Boyd and a black guy as Joe Hardy. Needless to say, the transformation scene was unintentionally hilarious. ("I want to transform into a really good athlete!" (he changes into a black man) "WOW!!")
Updated On: 7/29/09 at 03:57 AM
SporkGoddess
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/27/05
#33re: Caucasian to Asian makeup tips?
Posted: 7/29/09 at 12:04pm
The issue with Memoirs of a Geisha also was due to the political tension and historical animosity between China and Japan. Many people felt that casting a Chinese woman in a Japanese role was like having a Jew play Hitler.
And, no, not everyone in the FDS revival was Chinese, but they were at least Asian.
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Updated On: 7/29/09 at 12:04 PM
#34re: Caucasian to Asian makeup tips?
Posted: 7/29/09 at 12:09pm
I do remember that 2002 revival of Flower Drum Song didn't have all Chinese cast, but I don't think any actors try to imitate Chinese accent or try to look Chinese.
Didn't Lea Salonga do a Chinese accent? (I never saw the revival, but I did see the production at San Jose Rep.)
You'd be hard-pressed to find an all-Chinese cast of any musical outside an elementary school in Chinatown. There aren't that many Chinese parents who would let their kids pursue a stage career. 
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Jon
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/20/04
#35re: Caucasian to Asian makeup tips?
Posted: 7/29/09 at 12:15pm
Anyone who mention THE MIKADO as part of this discussion is totally clueless about Gilbert & Sullivan vs. American musical theatre. While we're at it, why not discuss Madame Butterfly, Turandot, or Verdi's Aida?
As for "Millie", it's a silly farce. If you have to use Caucasian actors for the two Chinese characters, just dress them appropriately. There is NO need to resort to "yellow face" and prostheic or painted-on "slanty eyes".
SporkGoddess
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/27/05
#36re: Caucasian to Asian makeup tips?
Posted: 7/29/09 at 12:50pmLizzie: She kind of did, if the cast recording is any indication.
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#37re: Caucasian to Asian makeup tips?
Posted: 7/29/09 at 1:11pmLea played a character who was "right off the boat". I'm sure she played it with an accent. In FDS some of the characters have just arrived in this country while others have been here for some time or have been born here. So there would be different degrees of accents.
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Broadway Legend Joined: 8/14/07
lovepuppy
Broadway Star Joined: 12/7/05
#40re: Caucasian to Asian makeup tips?
Posted: 8/2/09 at 4:14am
Hey there Pete,
Got your message (a few days late, sorry, don't check my BWW mail that often) and it said I couldn't PM you back. I experimented with the actress in preparation for the show, but didn't actually end up doing makeup for that show, as the production staff wound up preferring their own design. I too was surprised they wanted to make a Caucasian Asian for a show when people don't really do that sort of thing anymore (which is why it was hard to find the proper advice for the makeup), but since the producers wanted that, that's ultimately what they did.
I was first advised to try a tape prosthetic, but that really obscures the actor's vision and comfort, and she didn't want to do that (which was fine by me, and it didn't look right for that character, either). So we experimented with shadowing the lid a brown/black color up to the crease (but not ON the crease), because the look is to obscure the Caucasian crease, ultimately. Highlight between brow and the lid color with a lighter, non-shimmer shadow or just some skin-colored stage makeup and blend to your liking. We drew the lid color out in a sort of narrow triangular shape at the outer eye corner, but yeah, don't be so drastic as to draw a single line, a la the "Cleopatra" look that you didn't like. It also helped to create the "almond" eye shape by lining under the eye not on the traditional lower lashes, but on the inside water line, making the eyes look a bit narrower like Asian eyes. You may want to subtly lengthen or thicken eyebrows, depending on the director's vision and other Asian people or photos that you might find for examples.
Highlighting and contouring to round the jaw and cheek bones may be appropriate as well. Try looking in the book called "Stage Makeup" for tips and photos of how to do this. You should be able to check it out for free at the library.
Hope that helps and that it works out! I'd love to see pics of how it turned out for you.
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Updated On: 8/2/09 at 04:14 AM
#41re: Caucasian to Asian makeup tips?
Posted: 8/2/09 at 5:00amAsk Renee Zellwegger! LOL
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