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Bwaygurl2
Chorus Member Joined: 3/8/22
#50The Debates
Posted: 9/11/24 at 4:58pm
Pauly3 said:
Regarding binau's comments, they are far more reasonable and worthy of thoughtful responses (should you choose to respond) than so many others here. Given historical patterns demonstrated on this board, it is no surprise not everyone who has chosen to respond is capable of thoughtful responses.
MysteriousLady made a comment about Sutton Ross that has since been deleted. It is peculiar what the moderators will allow (kdogg's??) and what they won't. For the record MysteriousLady, I believe your comments about Sutton Ross were based on what you have (accurately) observed of him/her."
You make a lot of excellent points Paul. Binau is always interesting even when I disagree with him. Others (who I will not name but we all know) simply create a toxic atmosphere.
#51The Debates
Posted: 9/11/24 at 5:00pm
Jay Lerner-Z said: "Sexism? Please explain the logic behind such a ridiculous accusation, HG."
There is no sexism going on here. What is wrong with this thread today? You obviously were disappointed that she was a gun owner because I assume you hold liberal/progressive values about gun ownership and were expecting the same from her. That is all.
I think it was clear in the context of the debate that she was using the phrase though to deflect the common republican accusation that democrats are trying to 'take our gunsss!111'. I don't think you should read too much into Kamala's attitudes towards guns or anything else for that matter on the debate stage because it is clear to me that she is trying to position herself in the political centre to win an election. She isn't going to win many favours if she starts saying she wants to change gun laws....
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
#52The Debates
Posted: 9/11/24 at 5:01pm
Seconded.
Edit- post #49, that is.
Beyoncé is not an ally. Actions speak louder than words, Mrs. Carter. #Dubai #$$$
Updated On: 9/11/24 at 05:01 PM
#53The Debates
Posted: 9/11/24 at 5:03pm
I started mentally checking out of the debate from the beginning when Muir incorrectly said Trump and Harris were elected 4 years ago and then she punted that first question about the economy. I kept it on, I taped it, and once DT just started going off the rails I shut it off. I may pop back in with my finger on the FF button to see the rest. I just can't listen to him for more than a minute. In my opinion, we really don't need a second debate. It will be the same thing. Just do the VP debate and be done with them. JMO
Just give the world Love.
Updated On: 9/11/24 at 05:03 PM
#54The Debates
Posted: 9/11/24 at 5:14pm
Re: Kamala owning a gun, I guess at first I couldn’t fathom why a VP protected by the secret service would even need or want a gun. Thinking about it, I guess it dates back to her days as a prosecutor and the inherent risks that came with that.
Shrug. I’m still saddened.
Beyoncé is not an ally. Actions speak louder than words, Mrs. Carter. #Dubai #$$$
Updated On: 9/11/24 at 05:14 PM
Sutton Ross
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/20/13
#55The Debates
Posted: 9/11/24 at 5:18pm
Bwaygurl2 said:
Can we all agree that verbal abuse like this (calling someone lazy or stupid) is inappropriate and doesn't help the dialogue? Can you please be more adult and less emotional?
Ha. I love that you refuse to acknowledge your mistake and admit that I wasn't the one stating that, Yikes. And if you honestly think that "verbal abuse" is calling someone lazy, you are either 12 years old or very sheltered. You have no clue what used to be acceptable here, but trust me it was some unreal sh*t.
Try calling the men on this thread out for wanting a Sociopathic Dictator who wants to strip women of their fundamental rights in charge of our country once again. Because those are the people you should actually be concerned about here. Not me.
Sutton Ross
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/20/13
#56The Debates
Posted: 9/11/24 at 5:35pm
uncageg said: "I started mentally checking out of the debate from the beginning when Muir incorrectly said Trump and Harris were elected 4 years ago and then she punted that first question about the economy. I kept it on, I taped it, and once he just starting going off the rails I shut it off. I may pop back in with my finger on the FF button to see the rest. I just can't listen to him for more than a minute. In my opinion, we really don't need a second debate. It will be the same thing. Just do the VP debate and be done with them. JMO"
Wow, this is really interesting. This is the first criticism of Linsey or David I have heard. I thought they were so much better than Jake and Dana because they called Trump out on most of his lies and corrected him. That is why I liked them better. Although thinking back, David called him "President Trump" which someone should have corrected. I don't think they'll debate again (no need) but I am looking forward to the insanity of the VP one. Jesus.
#57The Debates
Posted: 9/11/24 at 5:40pm
I disagree. I’ve been posting here for almost 20 years and I don’t really know what you are talking about. Most people are usually civil and sometimes it gets lively and fun but most people are respectful. Occasionally we get a couple of lingering personalities that seem to want to cause chaos and ruin it for everyone, but you are a prime example of one Sutton. I think you take it so far that even people who would actually agree with you on certain or many points find it a bit over the top. It really is toxic and unpleasant.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
#58The Debates
Posted: 9/11/24 at 5:56pm
Sutton Ross said: "I don't think they'll debate again (no need) but I am looking forward to the insanity of the VP one."
Following last night's debate, Tim Walz was interviewed on MSNBC. Once again, I was impressed by how articulate he is. Although there were two other possible candidates (both military veterans) I had hoped Kamala Harris would choose to be by her side as VP, boy, am I happy she selected Tim Walz.
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#59The Debates
Posted: 9/11/24 at 6:01pm
Why does Tim Walz own a gun?
Beyoncé is not an ally. Actions speak louder than words, Mrs. Carter. #Dubai #$$$
#61The Debates
Posted: 9/11/24 at 6:47pm
Like the Trump boys?
Beyoncé is not an ally. Actions speak louder than words, Mrs. Carter. #Dubai #$$$
Sutton Ross
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/20/13
#62The Debates
Posted: 9/11/24 at 7:11pm
Highland Guy said: Following last night's debate, Tim Walz was interviewed on MSNBC. Once again, I was impressed by how articulatehe is. Although there were two other possible candidates (both military veterans)I had hoped Kamala Harris would choose to be by her side as VP, boy, am I happy she selected Tim Walz.
Yes, he is so Midwestern. Ha. And I say that as a compliment. Kamala knew she needed someone like him since she's a fabulous Coastal Elite and having that combination is really important. He is grounded and you know he'll bust out some hilarious jokes at JD's expense. Couches and cats come to mind 😉
Oh and I completely agree with you on that poster being sexist regarding the gun question. The fact that they started a (deleted) thread and stated "I just want a better understanding of why Kamala carries!" but has judged her and is now coming for Tim Walz? Talk about predictable and sad.
Hunting is legal. So is being a responsible gun owner. Just an FYI for people pretending that they don't understand that.
#63The Debates
Posted: 9/11/24 at 7:17pm
Jay Lerner-Z said: "Like the Trump boys?"
Could you even attempt to get your head out of your ass?
#64The Debates
Posted: 9/11/24 at 7:29pm
Seems not.
How DARE I attempt to discuss the contents of last night’s debate in a Debates thread. Guns repulse me. Pheasant-hunting repulses me.
Harris Walz still have my vote, just not my undying admiration and stanhood at all times on every issue. The gun problem was not touched on at all, except for Kamala reassuring gun-owners they had nothing to worry about. This resulted in my ass being filled with my head, apologies.
Beyoncé is not an ally. Actions speak louder than words, Mrs. Carter. #Dubai #$$$
#65The Debates
Posted: 9/11/24 at 9:32pm
Jay Lerner-Z said: "Seems not.
How DARE I attempt to discuss the contents of last night’s debate in a Debates thread. Guns repulse me. Pheasant-hunting repulses me.
Harris Walz still have my vote, just not my undying admiration and stanhood at all times on every issue. The gun problem was not touched on at all, except for Kamala reassuring gun-owners they had nothing to worry about. This resulted in my ass being filled with my head, apologies."
Then stop asking stupid questions. You knew exactly why he had guns. You know exactly why any liberal would own a gun and it doesn't make them a gun hoarding lunatic.
#66The Debates
Posted: 9/12/24 at 1:00am
i don’t think you really understand the point of the criticism. To raise a question why a progressive leadership own guns does not mean they are being accused of a ‘gun hoarding lunatic’. These arguments are so binary and so shallow. Not everyone thinks that people should own guns and they are trying to express that point. Clearly you don’t agree and don’t really want to engage in the discussion about it. Fine.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
#67The Debates
Posted: 9/12/24 at 12:03pm
It's fine to want, but do you think it's a realistic accomplishable goal to rid this country of every gun? Pandora's box does not close on 250 years of gun ownership. Your goals for gun control need to be targeted and realistic. He was asking why Tim Walz owned a gun and played stupid instead of actually just coming out and saying what his intent was behind even asking.
What I think is binary and shallow is the thought that NOBODY should own a gun of any sort. It's silly.
#68The Debates
Posted: 9/12/24 at 12:32pm
I’m sorry you thought I was being disingenuous. I wasn’t.
I’ll phrase my question another way.
Why does Tim Walz want to kill Bambi’s mother ?
It’s just not normal… to me. I can semi-understand a farmer who uses a gun to protect his chickens from foxes. I genuinely don’t understand why people kill for sport.
Beyoncé is not an ally. Actions speak louder than words, Mrs. Carter. #Dubai #$$$
Updated On: 9/12/24 at 12:32 PM
#69The Debates
Posted: 9/12/24 at 1:14pm
As opposed to like... factory farming? You're really trying to frame this on emotion ESPECIALLY with the "Bambi's Mother" ****. Are you a vegan? Like it's pretty presumptive to assume that he doesn't (like most US Hunters) eat what they kill in the US. We're not talking about about the Trumps going on Safari in other countries to kill exotic animals here...
#70The Debates
Posted: 9/12/24 at 1:43pm
Animals do make me emotional, what can I say. Humans too.
I gave up meat completely only recently, perhaps I am hyper-aware of this subject right now. I’m considering going vegan. Perhaps my good friend Highland Guy can give me some advice.
Anyway, I’m not calling for Tim Walz to be publicly stoned. Both he and Kamala are good and kind people, I recognize that. Don Jr and Eric are scum.
Beyoncé is not an ally. Actions speak louder than words, Mrs. Carter. #Dubai #$$$
#71The Debates
Posted: 9/12/24 at 1:44pm
Jay Lerner-Z said: "Animals do make me emotional, what can I say. Humans too.
I gave up meat completely only recently, perhaps I am hyper-aware of this subject right now. I’m considering going vegan. Perhaps my good friend Highland Guy can give me some advice.
Anyway, I’m not calling for Tim Walz to be publicly stoned. Both he and Kamala are good and kind people, I recognize that. Don Jr and Eric are scum."
When I said that he hunts you literally compared him to the "Trump Boys" so... what's the truth?
#72The Debates
Posted: 9/12/24 at 1:58pm
The truth is that all three hunt vulnerable animals for sport. A sad fact. Walz launched a deer-hunting festival in Minnesota. I can not begin to comprehend the appeal of that. I acknowledge that elephants and lions are the rarer species, but still, a life’s a life.
Beyoncé is not an ally. Actions speak louder than words, Mrs. Carter. #Dubai #$$$
#73The Debates
Posted: 9/12/24 at 2:46pm
Jay Lerner-Z said: "The truth is that all three hunt vulnerable animals for sport. A sad fact. Walz launched a deer-huntingfestivalin Minnesota. I can not begin to comprehend the appeal of that. I acknowledge that elephants and lions are the rarer species, but still, a life’s a life."
People eat deer in this country in large regularity. I know you find it strange that people do different things than you in different areas of the country, but this pearl clutching over deer hunting is a bit intense.
#74The Debates
Posted: 9/12/24 at 3:01pm
I’m not pear clutching.
They don’t do it to eat, be real. They do it for sport, for the thrill of killing. It makes them feel all caveman-like.
Beyoncé is not an ally. Actions speak louder than words, Mrs. Carter. #Dubai #$$$
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