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#226

Rumor: CATS: THE JELLICLE BALL to close in August?

binau said: "I’ve heard behind the scenes from a credible source that the running costs for Ragtime are so high they are losing money every week even with these grosses so ‘hit’ may not be the right word. Broadway is dead."

if Ragtime was profitable, it would not be closing. LCT needs that money and would not be closing a hit.

#227

Rumor: CATS: THE JELLICLE BALL to close in August?

joevitus said: "ColorTheHours048 said: "

Edited to add that the 8x/week model is unsustainable and torturous on the body after a long time, regardless of the choreographer’s care for pacing. Some dance styles are simply more strenuous and high impact, far more tailored to individual performers’ talents, and therefore harder to just slot people in in the traditional “swing” sense."

The history of Broadway since at least Agnes de Milledisagrees with you. If this show wasn't choreographed in such a way that the dances were impossible to do on a regular performance schedule, that's on that choreographer, not what dancers can sustain in a weekly run. If performerscould dance Robbins, Fosse and Bennett 8 times a week (and they did), the issue isn't what dancers can do, but whether the choreographer is designing dances for that sort of performance schedule.
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That’s exactly my point. The choreographers aren’t performing the material; the dancers are. Yes, even dancers who worked with de Mille, Robbins, Fosse, and Bennett hit their physical limits. These people put their bodies through hell and pay for it when they’re older in hip and knee replacements, bad backs, gnarled feet, and worse. Amplify that with the high impact nature of Ballroom and waacking, and you have a recipe for injuries galore.

Updated On: 7/16/26 at 11:58 AM

#228

Rumor: CATS: THE JELLICLE BALL to close in August?

BJR said: "binau said: "I’ve heard behind the scenes from a credible source that the running costs for Ragtime are so high they are losing money every week even with these grosses so ‘hit’ may not be the right word. Broadway is dead."

if Ragtime was profitable, it would not be closing. LCT needs that money and would not be closing a hit.
"

LCT is a subscription house and needs the space. The Beaumont is their sole Broadway venue. Once nonprofit productions end their initial run and become commercial productions, they become substantially harder to keep running.


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#230

Rumor: CATS: THE JELLICLE BALL to close in August?

joevitus said: "ColorTheHours048 said: "

Edited to add that the 8x/week model is unsustainable and torturous on the body after a long time, regardless of the choreographer’s care for pacing. Some dance styles are simply more strenuous and high impact, far more tailored to individual performers’ talents, and therefore harder to just slot people in in the traditional “swing” sense."

The history of Broadway since at least Agnes de Milledisagrees with you. If this show wasn't choreographed in such a way that the dances were impossible to do on a regular performance schedule, that's on that choreographer, not what dancers can sustain in a weekly run. If performerscould dance Robbins, Fosse and Bennett 8 times a week (and they did), the issue isn't what dancers can do, but whether the choreographer is designing dances for that sort of performance schedule.
"

Remind me which scene in Oklahoma required contortion into a full spinning dip down to the floor with force?


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#231

Rumor: CATS: THE JELLICLE BALL to close in August?

quizking101 said: "joevitus said: "ColorTheHours048 said: "

Edited to add that the 8x/week model is unsustainable and torturous on the body after a long time, regardless of the choreographer’s care for pacing. Some dance styles are simply more strenuous and high impact, far more tailored to individual performers’ talents, and therefore harder to just slot people in in the traditional “swing” sense."

The history of Broadway since at least Agnes de Milledisagrees with you. If this show wasn't choreographed in such a way that the dances were impossible to do on a regular performance schedule, that's on that choreographer, not what dancers can sustain in a weekly run. If performerscould dance Robbins, Fosse and Bennett 8 times a week (and they did), the issue isn't what dancers can do, but whether the choreographer is designing dances for that sort of performance schedule.
"

Remind me which scene in Oklahoma required contortion into a full spinning dip down to the floor with force?
"

Tell me you didn't understand my comment without telling me you didn't understand my comment.

#232

Rumor: CATS: THE JELLICLE BALL to close in August?

I think it's you, Joevitus, failing to understand QuizKing...


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#234

Rumor: CATS: THE JELLICLE BALL to close in August?

iluvtheatertrash said: "I think it's you, Joevitus,failing to understand QuizKing..."

I disagree.

QuizKing's response: "Remind me which scene in Oklahoma required contortion into a full spinning dip down to the floor with force?" illustrates the choreographer's responsibility noted in JoeVitus' comment: "the issue isn't what dancers can do, but whether the choreographer is designing dances for that sort of performance schedule."

As QuizKing noted,"Some dance styles are simply more strenuous and high impact, far more tailored to individual performers’ talents".

It's the choreographer who designed those dances that QuizKing is describing so, is the choreographer designing dances for that sort of performance schedule?

Updated On: 7/17/26 at 09:02 AM

#235

Rumor: CATS: THE JELLICLE BALL to close in August?

joevitus said: "quizking101 said: "joevitus said: "ColorTheHours048 said: "

Edited to add that the 8x/week model is unsustainable and torturous on the body after a long time, regardless of the choreographer’s care for pacing. Some dance styles are simply more strenuous and high impact, far more tailored to individual performers’ talents, and therefore harder to just slot people in in the traditional “swing” sense."

The history of Broadway since at least Agnes de Milledisagrees with you. If this show wasn't choreographed in such a way that the dances were impossible to do on a regular performance schedule, that's on that choreographer, not what dancers can sustain in a weekly run. If performerscould dance Robbins, Fosse and Bennett 8 times a week (and they did), the issue isn't what dancers can do, but whether the choreographer is designing dances for that sort of performance schedule.
"

Remind me which scene in Oklahoma required contortion into a full spinning dip down to the floor with force?
"

Tell me you didn't understand my comment without telling me you didn't understand my comment.
"

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#236

Rumor: CATS: THE JELLICLE BALL to close in August?

iluvtheatertrash said: "I think it's you, Joevitus,failing to understand QuizKing..."

Hardly. John Adams already said it, but the point of my comment was that if these dances are impossible to do regularly without risking injury, isn't because dancers can't be expected to do demanding choregography 8 shows a week but because this specific choreography hasn't been designed in a way that it is possible to execute regularly without risking injury.

I used de Mille as the first name because she was the first serious choreographer who insisted on dancers with exceptional skill as opposed to sexy girls with nice looking legs, but I also mentioned Robbins--whose dances were incredibly tough and demanded great skill and technique, as well as Bennett and Fosse, whose work required same. Yet dancers were not constantly out due to injuries attempting to execute any of their movements.

QuizKing missed the point of my post entirely.

Updated On: 7/17/26 at 06:57 PM

#237

Rumor: CATS: THE JELLICLE BALL to close in August?

joevitus said: "iluvtheatertrash said: "I think it's you, Joevitus,failing to understand QuizKing..."

Hardly. John Adams already said it, but the point of my comment was that if these dances are impossible to do regularly without risking injury, isn't because dancers can't be expected to do demanding choregography 8 shows a week but because this specificchoreography hasn't been designedin a way that it is possible to execute regularly without riskinginjury.


I meannnnnn Cats was notorious for injuries in its original run as well. Caveat of the show being cheaper to run back then allowing for more coverage within the cast without needing 1 person to run like 7 different roles as Kendall Stroud does here (MACAVITY, JENNYANYDOTS, VICTORIA, CASSANDRA, MUNGOJERRIE, RUMPLETEAZER, SKIMBLESHANKS, MAGICAL MISTER MISTOFFELEES, ETCETERA, POLICE OFFICER).

The problem with the show isn't so much the choreo itself as much trying to keep yourself in the show with a small problem that can take care of itself in a day or two if you can take it off versus it becoming a larger issue because you kept performing on it and now you're out for an extended period putting worsening constraints on coverage.

Any high dance show is going to come with a BEVY of injuries and call outs because of it. It's all about if you have the money to cover that with enough cast.

Updated On: 7/17/26 at 07:36 PM

#238

Rumor: CATS: THE JELLICLE BALL to close in August?

Dancers were consistently out during the original Broadway run of Fosse's "Dancin". And it is well known what a toll his choreography took on dancers.

I think the point trying to be made is that Ballroom dance/moves are so specific that there is very little room to change them or make them easier on the body. There are members of this cast from the Ballroom community that do these moves. But I don't think they did the same choreographed moves 8 times a week in a 2 plus hour show where they not only have to execute the moves/choreography but do it at times in perfect uniform with the rest of the cast and hit certain marks. They seemed to want to keep it authentic so yeah, those death drops and moves where they drop their rears down to their heels and "walk" while fanning their hands (I don't know the name of that move!) is gonna take a bit of a toll on them. I can't see this being the choreographers' fault. If anything, they did their jobs by keeping it as authentic as possible.

I think this is something that should have been taken into account when they decided to move uptown. Maybe it was but maybe they didn't have the budget to hire more dancers. I think a lot of us saw this coming. Both the call-outs and the early closing.

I agree with something I read (Either here or elsewhere) that in the end, we were watching "people", not "cats" in a Ballroom competition singing about being cats. There were very few hints visually that they were cats. I thought the costumes were fun and that they could have made them look more like cats via their makeup. But what has happened, has happened. I only saw snippets of other shows but I do feel they deserved the awards they got. And they got their show on Broadway. JMO and random thoughts.


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Updated On: 7/17/26 at 07:56 PM

#239

Rumor: CATS: THE JELLICLE BALL to close in August?

The hilarious part about this endless discussion is that ColortheHours048 made the point in the first paragraph of their original post, then made a different point in their third paragraph, and joevitus decided to object to the third paragraph...by repeating what ColortheHours048 said in their first paragraph. And the thread has been spinning in circles ever since.

ColortheHours048: "The difference is the construction of the choreography. Fosse choreographed for the theatre. He understood the rigors of dancing 8x/week, and twice on Wednesdays and Saturdays. The choreography for The Jellicle Ball, while constructed for a theatrical setting, is crafted by and for performers who generally don’t work in a theatrical setting. And certainly not in the repetitive schedule Broadway commands." And also, "the 8x week model is unsustainable for certain types of dance."

joevitus: Well, ACTUALLY, "if this show wasn't choreographed in such a way that the dances were impossible to do on a regular performance schedule, that's on that choreographer"

Yeah, that's what they said. "Tell me you didn't understand my comment without telling me you didn't understand my comment." We understood your comment when ColortheHours048 made it first (and you objected to it...by repeating it).

#240

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I wonder if those Cats producers are regretting spending money on that Le Bernardin Tony voter luncheon right about now…


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#241

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GottaGetAGimmick420 said: "I wonder if those Cats producers are regretting spending money on that Le Bernardin Tony voter luncheon right about now…"

Why would they? They won 3 well deserved Tony Awards and the show will go down in history for being innovative and barrier breaking. Every show campaigned for the Tonys. I’m missing your point or did it get lost in your attempt at shade?

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