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Scott Rudin takedown
SouthernCakes
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/29/19
#76Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/7/21 at 8:43pmI can’t image Hugh dropping out but maybe they remove Rudin’s name from everything?
#77Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/7/21 at 9:04pm
poisonivy2 said: "Isn't The Swimming Shark based on Rudin?"
It says so in the article.
#78Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/7/21 at 9:12pm
SouthernCakes said: "I can’t image Hugh dropping out but maybe they remove Rudin’s name from everything?"
That I think would actually make the most sense. If for nothing else, it would be a great way to let everyone else involve keep their jobs.
#79Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/7/21 at 9:13pm
These employees who suffered physical abuse and injury from him (and later sought medical attention) - did any of them do the logical thing and file police reports against him? Nothing is said in the article.
#80Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/7/21 at 9:19pm
David10086 said: "These employees who suffered physical abuse and injury from him (and later sought medical attention) - did any of them do the logical thing and file police reports against him? Nothing is said in the article."
Unfortunately the NYPD is very unsympathetic to men who suffer from physical abuse. I'm not surprised they stayed quiet.
#81Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/7/21 at 10:20pmIt’ll be interesting to see if the Music Man gets scrapped. I know it seems highly unlikely for a 100 reasons, but wouldn’t it be something if Hugh and Sutton took a stand against rudin and dropped out? It’s not enough for his name to be removed, he needs to be removed. But then where does the $$ go? With him?
#82Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/7/21 at 10:37pmHugh and Sutton would likely face a legal battle if they tried to drop out now.
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#83Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/7/21 at 10:41pm
Will be interesting to see if this story gains any traction outside the industry trades.
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#84Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/7/21 at 10:41pm
Assuming this does not just fade away as a controversy (sadly, a possibility), I agree this is not just removing his name. He can't be the producer. I doubt he has any skin in the game so that's not an issue. It's the profit he won't walk away from but all other things being equal there are ways of working that out. Hide and watch. As someone said above, there could be a run on the popcorn stand.
#85Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/7/21 at 10:43pm
CATSNYrevival said: "Hugh and Sutton would likely face a legal battle if they tried to drop out now."
nah but that's not a likely scenario to me.
massofmen
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/10/04
#86Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/7/21 at 11:01pm
No one is not seeing MMan bc rudin is attached.
#87Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/7/21 at 11:01pm
This man is despicable. I am in true shock, I had no idea he was like this. I just assumed he was a bit ego, difficult man. The abuse. The assault. It’s terrifying. He should be charged. The industry should shun him, and his awards should be stripped.
I will ensure to never support a project he is involved in.
#88Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/7/21 at 11:04pm
massofmen, that's hyperbolic. The article may not make a significant dent in any of his current/future projects, but it's simply impossible to say no one is avoiding his shows because of who he is.
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#89Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/7/21 at 11:13pm
The issue isn't just the A-list stars who continue to sign onto his projects. It's also the deep pockets investors who think of a Rudin show as a good investment and thus finance his shows. If a couple of those super-rich investors would boycott his shows he'd be in trouble.
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#90Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/7/21 at 11:22pm
David10086 said: "These employees who suffered physical abuse and injury from him (and later sought medical attention) - did any of them do the logical thing and file police reports against him? Nothing is said in the article."
The article mentions settlements and non-disclosure/non-disparagement clauses being signed. Add in that this message board isn't the only place you'll hear "you knew what you were signing up for, so it's your fault" and many of these young folks will be quickly discouraged from standing up for themselves.
#91Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/8/21 at 12:01am
poisonivy2 said: "If a couple of those super-rich investors would boycott his shows he'd be in trouble."
One interesting thing about investors is that they like to make money. If Rudin's infamy starts to interfere with that, they will vaporize. Whether some "boycott" his shows or not, the effect is the same.
ErmengardeStopSniveling
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/20/18
#92Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/8/21 at 12:28am
Everyone involved with his productions knows that he is a difficult, abusive asshole, even if he has been a prince to them personally. The theatre owners know. The investors know. The stars know. The ensemble knows. His billionaire producing partners Barry Diller & David Geffen know.
I really do not think this changes anything, unfortunately. If criminal activity starts coming out akin to Weinstein, that's a different story, but so far this is not worse than the despicable things that were already public knowledge about Rudin.
Hugh Jackman is the only one involved with Music Man with the weight to demand that Rudin remove himself from the production (physically and financially) –– and it seems doubtful that a close friend of Ivanka & Jared's would suddenly be offended by Rudin's behavior. But weirder things have happened.
It's a ****ty situation.
Let's also take a moment to applaud those who came forward to speak on and off the record.
ErmengardeStopSniveling
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/20/18
#93Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/8/21 at 12:35am
HogansHero said: "poisonivy2 said: "If a couple of those super-rich investors would boycott his shows he'd be in trouble."
One interesting thing about investors is that they like to make money. If Rudin's infamy starts to interfere with that, they will vaporize. Whether some "boycott" his shows or not, the effect is the same."
It's not like he has a sterling track record for ROI...sure, plenty have recouped, but none of his investors have been involved with just the winners (as you no doubt know). And most other producers in town are more cuddly towards their co-producers than Rudin.
#94Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/8/21 at 1:11am
ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "It's not like he has a sterling track record for ROI...sure, plenty have recouped, but none of his investors havebeen involved with just the winners (as you no doubt know). And most other producers in town are more cuddly towards their co-producers than Rudin."
What you say is true and what I said was a little simplistic. I do think, in general, that what he offers his investors is a reasonable prospect of a return married with a project that is going to feel "classy." (In contrast to shows that are one or the other.) I think if something feels like it is going to get ugly and/or end up losing money for reasons that are external, that's not going to sit well. Will this happen? Who knows? It's hard to say what is going to build a head of steam.
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Broadway Legend Joined: 1/23/08
#95Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/8/21 at 1:29am
The fact that some of you are excusing his behavior is truly disturbing. There isn't such a thing as thick skin. No one should be mistreated under any circumstances. I, personally, had no idea Rudin was like this, but I'm not shocked. The entertainment industry is one of the few workforces I know (besides fashion, I assume) that tolerates abusive behaviors. The sad thing is there are those assistant that were treated harshly and go on to treat their own assistants in the same manner when they become execs because they have the mentality of "Well, I went through it, so everyone else has to. It's called paying your dues." It's an endless cycle. Btw, those Indeed reviews for Scott Rudin Productions are horrible. It's a truly toxic work environment.
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Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#96Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/8/21 at 7:02am
I'm not sure anyone is excusing his behavior - people are just saying its not new, and that MANY people have been aware of it for a loong time - none choosing to do anything about it. Without legal issues, it likely won't make any difference. Most people that enjoy both film and b'way STILL won't know. Heck, by and large, most couldn't even name 2 producers yet alone care.
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#97Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/8/21 at 8:31am
Genuinely confused people think it's acceptable to throw objects at people. There's a reason after he smashed a computer monitor on an employee's hand, he called his lawyer. It's illegal.
I've worked with some people unkind and difficult people. The second anyone throws an object at me? Yeah, we're done here. Physical violence or even the threat of it is absolutely another level. And there's a very clear pattern of behavior in the article *alone*. And reminder, these type of articles are the tip of the iceberg.
Like someone else said, if they were married, the cops would've be called long ago.
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#98Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/8/21 at 9:27am
ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "Everyone involved with his productions knows that he is a difficult, abusive asshole, even if he has been a prince to them personally. The theatre owners know. The investors know. The stars know. The ensemble knows. His billionaire producing partners Barry Diller & David Geffen know.
I really do not think this changes anything, unfortunately. If criminal activity starts coming out akin toWeinstein, that's a different story, but so far this is not worse than the despicablethings that were already public knowledgeabout Rudin."
I think what this changes is that it's now out there, published, on record, meaning anyone who works with Rudin will have to answer for it. Yes, pretty much everyone who has worked with him before has known all this already. But they could always say "oh, no, I had no idea any of this was going on, it was just rumors" when confronted about it, regardless of whether they actually knew about it or not. But now, with it out in the open, published, with sources, there's no way they can make that excuse again. Again, drawing from the Weinstein example, everyone knew for years he was doing this but kept working with him anyway. But it wasn't until someone formally came forward that he became off limits to work with, because they knew there was no more hiding from it. So I'm not saying that's for sure going to happen with Rudin, but it definitely could detract more folks from working with and investing with him, because this will now have more of an impact on their own reputation if they do so.
#99Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/8/21 at 9:45am
David10086 said: "These employees who suffered physical abuse and injury from him (and later sought medical attention) - did any of them do the logical thing and file police reports against him? Nothing is said in the article."
Even if they did file police reports, Scott Rudin is another white wealthy man with lawyers who would be able to intimidate the other side to drop the charges.
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