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TheatreDiva90016
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/10/04
#75Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 7:29pm
"It was extremely offensive for some of us and shame on you for labeling those who felt offended as "troublemakers"."
If you are offended, it's your own problem. Don't project it on other people.
I can't belive three pages have gone by and no one mentioned the audiences at The Color Purple.
I saw it a few times and every performance was interupted by some black person screaming or talking back to the stage.
Does that make me racist?
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DAME
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/15/04
#76Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 7:34pm
"The real problem here is that YOU didn't find it offensive - taking away the issue a lot of us had with the negative connotation the OP had regarding Latino audiences at Evita."
First of all.. you don't know me. You have no right to have a issue with what I find offensive or not. That you find the comment the OP made offensive for whatever reason is your problem. If you go back and read you will see that they already apologized more than once for your offense. But you kept attacking him and creating a stupidity hole for yourself. Even after the thread took a turn to fun discussion relating to different cultures and audience behavior.
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Updated On: 3/13/12 at 07:34 PM
#77Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 7:37pm
Actually drinks in the theatre don't bother me, within reason, though I admit when I first encountered it (probably in London where they've been doing it for at least 12 years, when I was first there), it did surprise me. Eating in the theatre--anything more than maybe some small, preferably unwrapped candies or cough drops, does seem terribly obnoxious and disrespectful to me. But I admit part of that is undoubtedly just what I'm used to--popcorn can be annoying but I accept it at a movie, but I still don't at the theatre.
TheatreDiva, Color Purple was mentioned. I admit growing up in Western Canada which has a huge Asian population, but is otherwise pretty much white, and then moving to a largely black area of Montreal--the first time I went to see a movie (I think it was the teen version of Othello, O), I was kinda amazed to see that the stereotype of black audiences talking back to the screen actually seemed to largely be true. But I got used to it-- I agree with what Gaveston said. If anything I realized they seemed more invested in the film than I was. This gets into a lot of tricky areas, but at least some of it is a cultural thing and it seems wrong to go to a theatre event that obviously is meant to appeal particularly to that audience and then expect them to behave a different way. (Ugh I already kinda regret saying that--it's hard to word). I'm sure the cast of Color Purple expected that kind of reaction and took it in stride.
blaxx
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/28/05
#78Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 7:43pm
I saw it a few times and every performance was interupted by some black person screaming or talking back to the stage.
Does that make me racist?
No, but implying that you'd like to wait for the blacks to stop attending to have a civilized theater experience is.
I would have loved to see the OP targeting a group you would actually be offended with. If we were to change the latinos to another minority in his original post, and then I say it wasn't offensive and if you felt that way, then keep it to yourself, your double moral standards perhaps wouldn't be so obvious.
Just read the reaction the post originally had before it was edited. Why should I "keep to myself"? If I'm offended, I have the right to express my feelings.
And DAME, I do not see a single post of the OP apologizing for the matter. It bothers me more you want to turn his ignorant post into audience reaction. His complaint wasn't about audience reaction, it associated latinos with poor theater etiquette.
At least I wasn't the only one here who was obviously bothered by it.
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DAME
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/15/04
#79Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 7:50pmIt was not at all. You flew of the hinge and interpreted that way.. but there was nothing offensive about that post. He said the audience was loud, self centered, eating, consisted of families and was mostly latin. That was HIS experience when he saw that show. It was not a good theater experience for him. Nothing offensive about that. Evita will definitely be attracting a international and large latin crowd. Nothing offensive about that either.
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blaxx
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/28/05
#80Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 7:53pmThen maybe you did not read the original post before it was edited. And if you didn't, that is ok.
Listen, I don't take my clothes off for anyone, even if it is "artistic". - JANICE
DAME
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/15/04
#81Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 7:56pmI did. It was not that different. I don't mean to upset you and I apologize for going on the attack. I guess it is me calling the kettle black. But seriously I didn't find it offensive.
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blaxx
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/28/05
#82Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 7:58pmWell, I am sorry too, but I think the OP could have been more sensitive with his approach. That is all.
Listen, I don't take my clothes off for anyone, even if it is "artistic". - JANICE
TheatreDiva90016
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/10/04
#83Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 7:58pm
Then please tell us what he said that was so offensive.
Because I don't see anything that he said is bad at all, it's just his observation.
Also, I do think that 'those' black people who can't keep their mouths shut should stay at home.
That goes with any other nationality that goes into a theatre and is disrespectful to the other audience members.
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-whatever2
#84Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 8:06pmI suppose for me, it's the fact that the racial element was brought up at all and how it was phrased. It would be one thing to mention the audience and that one found them obnoxious and then ask if people thought it was a different cultural reaction due to them seemign to be primarily latino (or black, or female, or whatever) and taking that into a discussion. But the OP, from what I remember seemed ot basically say "they were loud, talked all the time, bla bla, and WERE LATINO!". (That's me paraphrasing and my own emphasis of course :P )
blaxx
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/28/05
#85Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 8:08pm
Exactly. I was offended by the implication that they were not behaving because of their cultural background.
And if that was not the OP's intent, then I apologize for being overly sensitive.
Listen, I don't take my clothes off for anyone, even if it is "artistic". - JANICE
DAME
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/15/04
#86Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 8:10pm
I think he said Puerto Rican. Not latino. But again I didn't find it offensive. That was just his experience . I too was annoyed with the audience behavior at Color Purple here in Los Angeles.. it was predominantly a black crowd. I remember being afraid to complain because they would beat me up. It was just not a crowd to have a confrontation with. Those that make me a racist?
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Updated On: 3/13/12 at 08:10 PM
#87Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 8:10pm
That is exactly what I found offensive too. I mean I wouldn't call theaternut racist, I don't know him. I wouldn't even call what he wrote racist. Just a little insensitive.
EDIT: The post which explains what I was saying exactly to seems to have gotten deleted?
Updated On: 3/13/12 at 08:10 PM
#88Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 8:15pmDame, goodness knows people on here (myself included) are often not careful with how they phrase things. But it could have been mentioned that maybe this was a reaction due to the audience being predominantly [insert something here], or asked as a question if people thought this behaviour was due to the large number of Puerto Ricans there (though I might start wondering how he knew they were all Purto Ricans...). Instead it was phrased in a way that implied that they all behaved this way because of their race--and pohrased as a list that implied (and I don't think this was the intention at all) that their race was part of the problem. I think that's what set people off.
#89Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 8:16pm
Goodness. The only bad experience I've had seeing theatre was seeing "The Color Purple", when a bunch of African-American patrons decided to yell at the performers about homosexuality being a sin, and then yell "they probably deserved AIDS!" at the Broadway Cares: Equity Fights AIDS thing at the curtain call. I didn't use it to judge any one race group, chalked it up to a poor upbringing and lack of theatre etiquette from the offending party.
Updated On: 3/13/12 at 08:16 PM
#90Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 8:16pm(not to mention the subject title of this thread in and of itself)
DAME
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/15/04
#91Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 8:19pmYeah Eric. That might be the issue. But if your going to have Ricky Martin in Evita you will have a core latin audience. So I didn't take it in the wrong way. So maybe the title of the thread is what set people of. But I think everyone needs to stop being so sensitive.
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TheatreDiva90016
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/10/04
#92Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 8:25pm
Well, if it's not the ********* or the ******* screwing things up, then it's usually the ******** *****, or the ********** who will always leave a stench.
And while we are at it, each and every ****** can go to hell.
"TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."<<>>
“I hesitate to give this line of discussion the validation it so desperately craves by perpetuating it, but the light from logic is getting further and further away with your every successive post.” <<>>
-whatever2
DAME
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/15/04
#93Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 8:27pmWORD
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#94Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 8:31pm
I think the post and the subject line are offensive. I think that telling people that they can't find it offensive because you personally don't find it offensive is even more insensitive. Attributing negative characteristics to entire cultural groups /is/ racist. Stereotyping races /is/ racist. I think Blaxx is absolutely justified in his offense, and I don't think he made his displeasure into an attack of the original poster.
People can end up saying pretty offensive things just from being thoughtless about it. It doesn't mean theatrenut is racist, but it does mean it's appropriate to point out where his words are offensive.
Auggie27
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/13/03
#95Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 8:57pmInteresting discussion. I recall only about 6 weeks ago, how many people were perturbed that a lot of "show queens" acted up at the early CARRIE previews, reportedly only there to have a "gay old time" when others wanted to explore the material anew, devoid of camp. There's an old rule of the theater: the audience is always right. They can like what they like: they pay to enter, they plunk down hard-earned dollars to either enjoy or reject the material and its performance. Their etiquette is expected, to be sure, but their taste is relevant only insofar as the frequency with which they hand the box office staff their credit card.
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#96Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 10:36pmI think saying "a heavy Latin crowd" is overgeneralized. I was actually there on the first preview. It was a very mixed crowd to be quite honest. I was in Mezzanine,so I could tell more or less who was there. There were old and young, tall and short,....basically...it was a mix. I did notice some people taking pictures....which I thought was tacky. I couldn't say anything because the scenes were special. With regards to your rant, if you say certain things...be sure to expect pointed responses...as it appears you're getting. That's all I have to say about that. I just got back from my trip and I'm jetlagged. laters... Roman
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henrikegerman
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/29/05
#97Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 11:51pm
"henrik, are you sure Elizabethan audiences were all that hegemonic or had been for such a long time? Elizabeth I was only two generations removed from all-out civil war and faced a few armed rebellions herself, not to mention an ongoing struggle with her subjects over religion."
Gaveston, I didn't mean that Elizabethan audiences were at that point in history part of a hegemonic nation, I was only referring to the irony - in the context of this thread - that in that example we are talking about audiences who were English - and the English are seen as being hegemonic, orderly, regimented, decorous, orthodox in conduct, even, to allude to the more stereotypical (not only about the English but about white Anglo Saxon Protestants (a group which has its origins in the Elizabethan era), unfeeling and undemonstrative rather than letting themselves go}. Perhaps it was a belabored point, and, admittedly, a trivial one, but I didn't mean to imply what you thought I meant.
Updated On: 3/14/12 at 11:51 PM
#98Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/14/12 at 1:48am
I can't stand people who throw in a a reflexive "no offense" to an offensive or insulting comment and think that gets them off the hook for any backlash. It's passive aggressive and bitchy. Either have the balls to say it and take your hits for it, or don't say anything at all.
The OP is an ignorant asshole. No offense!
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Updated On: 3/14/12 at 01:48 AM
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#99Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/14/12 at 3:33amOh, theaternut... that was just not well thought out or articulated at all. Even this title, ouch, just painful.
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