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theaternut
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/4/03
#25Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 4:55pmHenrik I see your point. my reference to the on line clips was not intended to single out last nights audience during the curtain call. When I saw the **** load of cameras and lit objects pointed at the actors it reminded me of when I saw the Paul Simon show ( what the heck was it called) at that same theater. It just reminded me of my bad experience.
#26Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 4:57pmtheatrenut I hate to break it to you but go to the Majestic any night of the week- you'll be blinded before the show, during intermission and curtain call with all the cameras going off- and that audience is as mixed racially as you can get
#27Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:00pmIf it could have been any race why didn't you just mention terrible audience behavior at Evita without bringing up the fact they were Latino.
#28Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:06pm
From my own firsthand experience I've had problems with international audience members, but no single country. They tend to talk a lot during the show and translate to each other, film the show, eat, come and go a lot and text on their phones. I've had many a row with them.
That's not racist and it's not generalizing. I am only speaking from my first hand experience. That does not mean it your experience.
Ricky Martin and Elena are international icons. They will draw a large international following to the show.
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DAME
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/15/04
#29Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:06pmThere is a popular Spanish television chat show called " El Gordo Y La Flaca". It is kind of a Regis and Kelly show and it is immensely popular. Just last week they were talking about Ricky Martin going to broadway with Evita and how the latin community was going to be coming out to show their support. He is very loved and admired. But they also joked lovingly that New York theater audiences will probably be in for a different kind of theater experience. I don't know.. I think it is all part of the package. Go and enjoy the different kind of audiences each show brings as part of the theater going experience. And by the way ; the original poster already said a few times he meant no offense and was expressing ( crudely.. but ok) his experience and concern. Why not take him at his word and proceed with a intelligent discussion?
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theaternut
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/4/03
#30Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:09pmCheno, they were Latin. Why wouldn't I bring that up?
#31Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:09pm
henrikegerman:
Well said. Well said.
henrikegerman
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/29/05
#32Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:09pm
"They were a Latin crowd. That is just the way it was. They could have been a Japanese crowd and been just as bad a audience."
Theaternut, respectfully, do you have any idea how bad a defense you are mounting for yourself with comments like that one?
On a lighter note, the Simon-Walcott musical with Marc Anthony you are thinking of is The Capeman.
blaxx
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/28/05
#33Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:10pm
the original poster already said a few times he meant no offense and was expressing ( crudely.. but ok) his experience and concern. Why not take him at his word and proceed with a intelligent discussion?
Crudely...but ok?! It is not ok to crudely single out an audience's poor behavior by race, then say you mean no offense by it.
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Huss417
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/15/03
#34Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:11pm
Now I wish I saw the unedited post.
This seems like a popcorn thread for later. :)
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FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#35Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:12pm
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That makes you look stupider than the Puerto Ricans you're putting down.
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theaternut
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/4/03
#36Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:12pmBut Henrik, they could have been a English speaking American crowd from Jersey and been just as bad a audience. But they werent. I am not defending anything. It is just the way it was.
#37Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:13pmPersonally, I totally hate Swiss audiences; the smell of cheese and those damn cuckoo clocks going off all through the show just drives me mad.
DAME
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/15/04
#38Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:16pmSays who Blaxx? I see two places in this thread he says he meant no offense. Again; why not just take him at his word? Maybe he is just not expressing himself the way you would want him to? You have anything else to contribute besides calling someone you don't know a racist? I myself could care less. I hate that ****ing show.
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henrikegerman
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/29/05
#39Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:18pm
^The Swiss Italians are better than the Swiss Germans. The Swiss French are the worst.
And don't even get me started on the Swiss Tyroleans, Gypsies and Jews (does it make a difference that I'm Jewish and my boyfriend's mother is from Haute-Savoie?)
Updated On: 3/13/12 at 05:18 PM
#40Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:20pm
"But Henrik, they could have been a English speaking American crowd from Jersey and been just as bad a audience."
So now we're talking about ROCK OF AGES?
I'm so very confused...
blaxx
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/28/05
#41Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:22pm
Again; why not just take him at his word? Maybe he is just not expressing himself the way you would want him to? You have anything else to contribute besides calling someone you don't know a racist? I myself could care less. I hate that ****ing show.
Well, that is great - you won't have to deal with the Latinos then. I would love to see everyone's reaction if I single out an African American audience's crappy behavior, then proceed to say I meant no offense by it. Reinforcing a negative stereotype by race is offensive - whether you meant it or not.
If you think the audience's poor behavior is linked to the ethnic background and you do not know that is offensive, there is something truly wrong with you. I hope I contributed enough to your taste.
Listen, I don't take my clothes off for anyone, even if it is "artistic". - JANICE
DAME
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/15/04
#42Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:23pm
"So now we're talking about ROCK OF AGES?
I'm so very confused..."
ROFL!!!!!
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#43Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:28pm
Gah, where's Jordan?
**tapping foot impatiently**
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DAME
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/15/04
#44Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:31pm
I don't know Blaxx. I wouldn't call it a ethnic thing. I would call it a cultural thing. Nothing wrong with that. And by the way.. I believe there was a very lengthy discussion as to what your alluding to when Fences was back on broadway. By the way, I just remembered when I saw Ain't Misbehaving for the first time. It was the revival with the original cast at the Ambassador theater. I went to the first preview. It was a 90% black crowd. They were waving their hands and praising throughout the whole show. It was so beautiful and there was such love and humanity going back and forth between the cast and the audience. I will never forget it. I had never experienced anything so joyful. But it was different than the audiences I was used to. Those that make me a racist?
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Updated On: 3/13/12 at 05:31 PM
Gaveston2
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/28/11
#45Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:32pm
Without commenting on the OP, I don't think it's racist to acknowledge that different cultures have different traditions governing audience behavior during a performance.
Stand-up comedians have made a cliche of jokes about African-Americans talking during movies. (And like all stereotypes, the cliche is often unfair and untrue.) But African theater has emphasized spontaneous audience participation since at least the time of Sophocles. I don't think anyone has conducted a formal survey, but IF IT IS TRUE that African-Americans are more likely to talk back to a film or live performance, they have thousands of years of tradition on their side.
Those of us (yes, I am one of you) who expect theatergoers to sit like statues so as to not disturb others should keep in mind that the tradition of treating the theater as a temple only dates back to Wagner and his contemporaries, fewer than 200 years ago.
Not only did the house lights remain up during performances before the early 1800s, reports of Restoration plays describe venders selling fruit, prostitutes selling themselves and viewers debating with the onstage characters, all while the play was in progress. IIRC, Moliere was famous for his ability to improvise in rhymed couplets (not unlike a modern rapper) in response to catcalls from the house.
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And I'll end today's lecture by approaching the subject from another point of view: consider how mechanical, even robotic, so many big Broadway musicals have become with all their computer-controlled lighting and set changes, and the "wall of sound" with which the audience is blasted! Is it really such a surprise that some audience members (regardless of ethnicity) don't feel that their behavior actually affects anyone else?
Beginning with the over-sized poperettas of the late 1970s (including EVITA) and even more so in the 1980s, big musicals have seemed less and less like intimate communions between actor and spectator and more like aerobic classes being held in the next room at the gym. I don't know about you guys, but I don't whisper at the gym to avoid disrupting Pilates.
blaxx
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/28/05
#46Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:37pm
They were waving their hands and praising throughout the whole show. It was so beautiful and there was such love and humanity going back and forth between the cast and the audience. I will never forget it. I had never experienced anything so joyful. But it was different than the audiences I was used to. Those that make me a racist?
I know you're smarter than that. He was not describing a passionate reaction to the show - he was assigning rude behavior related to eating, talking and cellphones in the audience and the fact they were Latinos. Like no other audience members would do that - he was not complaining about the "cultural" reaction to the show, but to the poor theater etiquette because of race.
It was uncalled for and worse to suggest that he might have to wait until the Latinos would stop attending to have a civilized experience at the theater.
Listen, I don't take my clothes off for anyone, even if it is "artistic". - JANICE
henrikegerman
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/29/05
#47Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:37pm
Dame, I don't know if anyone is not taking Theaternut at his word that he/she didn't mean any offense or that he/she apologizes for any offense taken, or that anyone is villifying him, or calling him, as a general matter, a racist. If anyone has suggested otherwise, it's certainly important to separate the post and how people feel about it from such an attack on Theaternut.
Theaternut, I totally accept that you didn't mean any offense. I happen to think people should be able to freely make comments that might offend people; and that often the dialogues most elucidating and harmonically progressive on questions of race can't happen without a free exchange of beliefs, some of which might prove objectionable to many.
I didn't mean any offense in any of my postings either. But, as I've stated, for the reasons I've given and tried to express respectfully (and I appreciate your saying that you see my point - and thank you as well Play Esq.), I have major concerns with your original post and can see why others do as well. And I feel the need to explain why I thought the post was racist. That doesn't mean that I think you are a hateful person or someone I, knowing nothing else about you, would easily call a racist, for saying it.*
*notwithstanding the possibility that "everyone's a little bit racist." - but that's another discussion entirely.
Gaveston2
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/28/11
#48Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:42pm
"[H]e was assigning rude behavior related to eating, talking and cellphones in the audience and the fact they were Latinos...."
blaxx, I haven't been to a show on Broadway since PASSION in 1994, but based on the hundreds of complaints posted in other threads here, "eating, talking and cellphones" sounds like every Broadway audience, not just Latinos.
(Just an observation from an outsider.)
Updated On: 3/13/12 at 05:42 PM
blaxx
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/28/05
#49Audience behavior at Evita. ( especially with the Latin community)
Posted: 3/13/12 at 5:45pm
blaxx, I haven't been to a show on Broadway since PASSION in 1994, but based on the hundreds of complaints posted in other threads here, "eating, talking and cellphones" sounds like every Broadway audience, not just Latinos.
(Just an observation from an outsider.)
Exactly - so, why single out the ethnic background? Extremely rude.
Listen, I don't take my clothes off for anyone, even if it is "artistic". - JANICE
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