I work with a lot of people who have come out of Westminster and they are the opposite extreme of Lupone, all control, no expressiveness. But at least I prefer it to the caterwauling that she does.
Bottom line: PEOPLE LIKE HER (I dont know why) BUT SHE SINGS POORLY, or rather with VISIBLY BAD TECHNIQUE.
Why do bad guys get to be president? Why do idiots end up running countries? Why do people with HORRIBLE vocal technique become stars?
LJ, you can say whatever you want, and call people names, but no amount of belly aching is going to make her into a GOOD singer.
people like her, you like her, but there is no vocal professional in this entire world who would be able to call her a COMPETENT SINGER WITH GOOD TECHNIQUE with impunity.
It's simply not true, and it's as plain as snarl on her face.
Shoot...I'd pay to see LuPone any day. Listening to her is incredible AND she sells her crazy vowels and wild jaw with such conviction that you want more.
I remember the first time I heard Jennifer Holiday sing "And I am telling you". It was on the leading ladies DVD a bunch of years back. I was so thrown off by her vocal choices. That woman can sing a single vowel yet somehow manage to explore about 13 others, end the whole thing on a loud, "HA!" all while bending backward and still sound and look amazing while she's doing it! It just doesn't matter.
It's the whole X-factor thing. Ultimately the individual pieces of the puzzle don't matter - it's the dramatic whole that sells us.
X-factor is bull****. Don't make it "MAGIC" people like her, whether that's by design (media, marketing, people afraid to say she's bad because "everyone else" loves her.
That can all be made to happen, X-Factor is a fallacy.
Well, BK, now we're getting into Semantics. X-factor is my canned and pop-culture way of avoiding having to define the individual marketing tools that have pushed patti to the top.
I dare say however, that it wasn't marketing that landed her Evita. It was her...brash and crazy. Brash and crazy has gotten a lot of folks pretty damn far.
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Updated On: 7/2/08 at 02:22 PM
JRB.... I think you hit it on the head when you say that we are an instrument. We are a vocal instrument... I do not know why people are bashing you....
Totally Effed is just that....
Or maybe he is jealous....
or maybe he is bernadette peters and trying to bash patti for actually getting the tony for gyspsy.
"Whenever I get gloomy with the state of the world, I think about the arrivals gate at Heathrow Airport. General opinion's starting to make out that we live in a world of hatred and greed, but I don't see that. It seems to me that love is everywhere. Often it's not particularly dignified or newsworthy, but it's always there - fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, husbands and wives, boyfriends, girlfriends, old friends. When the planes hit the Twin Towers, as far as I know none of the phone calls from the people on board were messages of hate or revenge - they were all messages of love. If you look for it, I've got a sneaky feeling you'll find that love actually is all around."
All sound is vibration, but comparing cello strings to the human voice isn't the best analogy in the world. with a string, you vibrate it and the air around it vibrates, with singing, you're pushing to air past chords, Slightly different phenomena.
No one should be listening to comments about talent, vocal technique, or presence from some dipsh*t Asian who wishes they were a black hip-hop artist.
"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”
~ Muhammad Ali
I never cease to be astonished at the ugly (not to mention idiotic) bile that spews out of some people whenever LuPone's name is mentioned.
I love the idea of "marketing" making LuPone a star. Can you imagine the pitch that happened on Madison Avenue back in '79?
"Say, fellas, how does this sound? We take a tiny woman from Long Island with average looks and rotten technique, and we foist her on an unsuspecting public. This'll be bigger than that moon landing we got all the headlines about!"
and remember who amoung us has TWO TWO TWO TONY AWARDS? not me...
"Whenever I get gloomy with the state of the world, I think about the arrivals gate at Heathrow Airport. General opinion's starting to make out that we live in a world of hatred and greed, but I don't see that. It seems to me that love is everywhere. Often it's not particularly dignified or newsworthy, but it's always there - fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, husbands and wives, boyfriends, girlfriends, old friends. When the planes hit the Twin Towers, as far as I know none of the phone calls from the people on board were messages of hate or revenge - they were all messages of love. If you look for it, I've got a sneaky feeling you'll find that love actually is all around."
Yes...you are correct. Perhaps I shouldn't have used a cello. I just wanted to make it clear that the voice is an instrument and that the vibration of the chords creates the pitch, not the virbato. Vibrations in the larynx cause that. Your cricothyroid and arytenoid muslces don't shake up and down. All they do is adjust the length of the fold. There aren't any muscles attached to the folds that have the physical ability to create virbato.
I think another mistake of mine might have been using the word, "Manufactured" because it implied that virbato is a bad thing. That wasn't my intention.
"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”
~ Muhammad Ali
Opinions about LuPone are like assholes... Everyone's got them and some of them stink.
"Whenever I get gloomy with the state of the world, I think about the arrivals gate at Heathrow Airport. General opinion's starting to make out that we live in a world of hatred and greed, but I don't see that. It seems to me that love is everywhere. Often it's not particularly dignified or newsworthy, but it's always there - fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, husbands and wives, boyfriends, girlfriends, old friends. When the planes hit the Twin Towers, as far as I know none of the phone calls from the people on board were messages of hate or revenge - they were all messages of love. If you look for it, I've got a sneaky feeling you'll find that love actually is all around."