Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film- Page 10
Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
FoscasBohemianDream
Broadway Star Joined: 1/20/06
#225re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 10/22/06 at 4:32am
Not to go off-topic but very few people outside of musical theater fans know who Patti LuPone is (few know her from her role in "Life Goes On" others from her stint in "Oz). Michelle Lee and Chita Rivera guest starred on Will & Grace and you can't tell me that people who aren't musical theater fans know who they are so that is no way to measure mainstream popularity. She is hardly as bankable on Broadway as someone like Bernadette Peters.
*End of threadjack*
#226re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 10/22/06 at 4:57am
I think the fact that the actresses you mentioned along with LuPone made guest appearances playing themselves says enough to their mainstream exposure.
I'm not saying they're household, but I don't know if there are many people who have a fair amount of entertainment-based knowledge who haven't at least heard of Patti LuPone...
I love America. Just because I think gay dudes should be allowed to adopt kids and we should all have hybrid cars doesn't mean I don't love America.
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MrMidwest
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/8/05
#227re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 10/22/06 at 9:11am
"Michelle Lee and Chita Rivera guest starred on Will & Grace and you can't tell me that people who aren't musical theater fans know who they are"
I'd say quite a large portion of the general public knows who they are. Chita Rivera is one of the biggest Broadway stars in history. Most people have at least heard of her. As for Michele Lee, she was on a popular television show for several years. Some younger people might not be all that familiar with them, but, still, quite a lot of people know who they are.
"The gods who nurse this universe think little of mortals' cares. They sit in crowds on exclusive clouds and laugh at our love affairs. I might have had a real romance if they'd given me a chance. I loved him, but he didn't love me. I wanted him, but he didn't want me. Then the gods had a spree and indulged in another whim. Now he loves me, but I don't love him." - Cole Porter
Updated On: 10/22/06 at 09:11 AM
Ciaron McCarthy
Broadway Star Joined: 10/15/06
#228re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 10/22/06 at 9:43am
Flames or no flames, are you denying that Patti does not have one of the most celebrated careers in recent Broadway history (considering no where in my post did I say she conquered)?
But even on that note, how many working MT performers do you know have crossed from one to the next?
She may be a diva, but it is in no way unjustified.
What is so celebrated about it. She won a Tony 30 years ago and got fired from Sunset Blvd, Oooooooo she;s the queen of Broadway. She got raves for Sweeney Todd but before that she was a has been. I can name people who have crossed over. Bea Arthur has been in more Operas than Lupone for Christs sake!!
Audra, Kristin and Donna Murphy come to mind.
#229re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 10/22/06 at 9:55am
Wow, aside from the fact that you're ignorant, Ciaron, you're also pretty snotty.
Just what we need around here.
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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Updated On: 10/22/06 at 09:55 AM
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Ciaron McCarthy
Broadway Star Joined: 10/15/06
#230re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 10/22/06 at 9:57am
Wow, aside from the fact that your ignorant, Ciaron, you're also pretty snotty.
Name calling? And I'm ignorant? HAHA
#231re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 10/22/06 at 12:00pm
Well, you sure don't know much about LuPone's career. That's pretty obvious. I'm not saying that she's the "second coming," but you've managed to make a bunch of idiotic, snarky comments about her and several other things on various threads, and based your remarks on a resounding lack of information.
But other than that, you're doing fine here, kid.
Keep it up.
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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BSoBW2
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/8/04
#232re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 10/22/06 at 12:03pmLike she said: "People either love me or they hate me."
Ciaron McCarthy
Broadway Star Joined: 10/15/06
#233re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 10/22/06 at 2:45pm
"Well, you sure don't know much about LuPone's career. That's pretty obvious. I'm not saying that she's the "second coming," but you've managed to make a bunch of idiotic, snarky comments about her and several other things on various threads, and based your remarks on a resounding lack of information."
I know ALL about her career. I know that she has been in about 5 shows that actually lasted on Broadway (most of which I saw). I saw her in Les Mis (though I don't remember much of it). Saw her in Sunset (God she was awful). I am allowed to have an opinion about her. I think she is overrated. I have certainly seen enough of her work to make such a statement. I think she can be a very good actress when she wants, but for the most part she seems to play the role of herself.
#234re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 10/22/06 at 3:13pm
See, the comments you just made... are all valid, and you are most definitely entitled to express your opinion.
But that's NOT what you were saying earlier. You said:
"What is so celebrated about it. She won a Tony 30 years ago and got fired from Sunset Blvd, Oooooooo she;s the queen of Broadway. She got raves for Sweeney Todd but before that she was a has been."
Those are ignorant remarks, posted only to irritate othr people. It sounds like you barely know who she is from that statement. And you didn't back anything up. Your response is there for no other reason than to annoy other posters... and you succeeded. Good for you.
If you want to post your opinions about anything, go right ahead. But if you'd rather fly in here as a newbie and drop little annoying bombs on various threads... nobody is going to take what you have to say seriously.
They might get out the fly swatter, however.
The choice is yours.
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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#235re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 10/22/06 at 3:30pmSwat it, 12y! Just made my day...
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Ciaron McCarthy
Broadway Star Joined: 10/15/06
#236re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 10/22/06 at 3:44pm
""What is so celebrated about it. She won a Tony 30 years ago and got fired from Sunset Blvd, Oooooooo she;s the queen of Broadway. She got raves for Sweeney Todd but before that she was a has been."
OK but she did win a Tony almost 30 years ago.
She was fired from Sunset (and it was the right decision)
She did get raves for Sweeney
She wasn't really working all that much beforehand. Nothing as big as Sweeney was for her.
I stand by what I said. I am so tired of people placing that woman so high. It is not deserved (IMO). There are plenty of other actors/singers out there that could act/sing circles around her but they don't get the chance.
I actually like Patti when she turns off that whole "I'm Patti Lupone" attitude she has. She can be remarkable (Rose in "Gypsy", Eva in "Evita").
She has somehow been placed on this pedistal that other, more deserving, actors should be on.
#237re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 10/22/06 at 4:36pm
Its called Stage Presence and, for lack of a better term, "Star Quality."
I feel as though you are in a minority with not being blown away by her performances.
I love America. Just because I think gay dudes should be allowed to adopt kids and we should all have hybrid cars doesn't mean I don't love America.
[turns and winks directly into the camera]
- Liz Lemon (Tina Fey) on 30 Rock
roquat
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/25/05
#238re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 10/22/06 at 5:08pmI was very lukewarm towards her until the "Sweeney Todd" revival, in which she was BRILLIANT. She reinvented the role completely and was subtle, diabolical, and unforgettable (but still funny). And she blended into the ensemble perfectly during the group numbers, erasing her star presence without a whisper of ego. AND she had perfect diction--all of these things are not customarily said about her.
I ask in all honesty/What would life be?/Without a song and a dance, what are we?/So I say "Thank you for the music/For giving it to me."
sabrelady
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/16/03
#239re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 10/22/06 at 7:17pmBetter a has-been than a never-was.
svsouza
Swing Joined: 11/1/06
#240re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 11/1/06 at 2:34amI love Tim Burton, but does he not have enough people to cast? it's always the same people -- and this is corpse bride revisited. I was hoping for somebody who could really sing, maybe bring up some fantastic broadway actor. Helena is way too mousy for this roll...
MrMidwest
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/8/05
#239re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 11/6/06 at 2:56pm
A portion of a recent Guardian article where Helena mentions Sweeney:
She and Burton have made three films together since Planet of the Apes, but the couple are about to embark on their biggest project yet: Sweeney Todd, in which Bonham Carter will play the demon barber's pie-making associate, Mrs Lovett. She realises it looks like nepotistic casting, but argues she was only allowed to audition because Stephen Sondheim, Sweeney's composer, was involved in the final decision. "There was a time when I didn't even know if Tim wanted me - to the point where I thought, 'Oh f*ck it, I've given you a child, can't you just give me the part?'"
http://film.guardian.co.uk/interview/interviewpages/0,,1937548,00.html
"The gods who nurse this universe think little of mortals' cares. They sit in crowds on exclusive clouds and laugh at our love affairs. I might have had a real romance if they'd given me a chance. I loved him, but he didn't love me. I wanted him, but he didn't want me. Then the gods had a spree and indulged in another whim. Now he loves me, but I don't love him." - Cole Porter
mustard
Stand-by Joined: 7/27/06
#240re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 11/6/06 at 11:46pm
gawd
I am so OVER the whole Burton/Depp/Bonham Carter thing. This makes me think about the movie and feel... nothing. No excitement. Just a giant internal eye-rolling at the same old snore-inducing casting.
Luscious
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/20/05
#241re: Helena Bonham Carter To Star as Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd Film
Posted: 11/7/06 at 6:46amI know I'm a little late to the party, but for what it's worth I think Bonham Carter is an excellent choice. Streep opposite Depp never seemed right to me. (And I'm a big Streep fan!) That said, it really doesn't matter what Burton does with this, most die-hard Sweeney fans will never be satisfied.
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