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Drowsy Chaperone - Won the Lottery and thoughts
#50re: Drowsy Chaperone - Won the Lottery and thoughts
Posted: 5/25/07 at 2:14pm
What? People think Man in Chair is heterosexual?
He gets an erection from watching Robert Martin/Percy Hyman tap dancing. And almost explodes with glee when he gets to hug him at the end.
#51re: Drowsy Chaperone - Won the Lottery and thoughts
Posted: 5/25/07 at 2:19pm
I should also add that I used to watch Smallville religiously, so it was kind of creepy watching Lionel Luthor sing and dance.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall the erection bit from last night's show. Was it removed?
Wild Roses
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#52re: Drowsy Chaperone - Won the Lottery and thoughts
Posted: 5/25/07 at 2:23pm
Regarding DC being glib entertainment being created/put on during war time. It has documented time and again that when war is happening, audiences will turn to comedies to get away from the depressing war time news. Screwball comedies exploded during the 1940s because people were sick, sick, sick of having to listen or watch depressing news all day.
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#53re: Drowsy Chaperone - Won the Lottery and thoughts
Posted: 5/25/07 at 2:30pm
I didn't see the erection bit, but still was convinced that the Man in Chair was gay.
Wildroses: There are two ways to read why there are a surge of cheesy musicals in wartime. One is what you so eloquently stated, another is that these musicals were produced to keep the publics mind off of the sad state of affairs, a pleasant distraction if you will. It's a very effective means.
The causality is in question, but you're right, this is not a new trend.
But just because it happens, doesn't mean it's the most socially responsible thing in the world to do. I would think that a society dealing with intense issues would reflect that in it's art, but when historians looks back hundreds of years from now, will they see it as escaping from depressing news on daily basis or will they just equate it with Nero fiddling while Rome burned? (which didn't really happen anyway, but the analogy is fitting).
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#54re: Drowsy Chaperone - Won the Lottery and thoughts
Posted: 5/25/07 at 5:36pmI saw the show in London - maybe John Glover doesn't do the erection bit...?
Fenchurch
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#55re: Drowsy Chaperone - Won the Lottery and thoughts
Posted: 5/25/07 at 5:39pm
Either way it proved the intention of the author and/or the actor who did the bit.
The Man in the Chair is gay, closeted perhaps, but most definitely of the homosexual persuasion, it's naive to think otherwise.
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#56re: Drowsy Chaperone - Won the Lottery and thoughts
Posted: 5/25/07 at 5:45pm
Fen ~
There have been some shows that DID deal with the serious subject at hand.
They didn't do/haven't done all that well.
And just because people might like escapism for a while that does NOT make them socially irresponsible. What? We should all be sitting home watching CNN and wringing our hands?? Give me a break.
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#57re: Drowsy Chaperone - Won the Lottery and thoughts
Posted: 5/25/07 at 6:32pm
Jordan, you're absolutely right.
I'm just offering alternative viewpoints.
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Wild Roses
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#58re: Drowsy Chaperone - Won the Lottery and thoughts
Posted: 5/25/07 at 11:43pm
Fen, what is with making the condescending remarks constantly to me? I find it funny though that you start out disagreeing with me regarding comedies in wartime than restate exactly what I said.
I am getting that feeling that you one of those Always-Has-to-Be-Right posters.
As for when historians look back. Well, going back to my World War 2 example, although plenty of people were using tv, radio, movies, and musical theatre to provide escapism, these same people are often viewed as part of the Greatest Generation for their sacrifices both within and outside the war. The same Hollywood actors who starred in screwball comedies are not only praised for their work in those movies but also for participating in the war (several actors actually fought in the war), for doing charity work that benefitted people who had families in the war, etc, etc. Hollywood wasn't only doing this--but people in the arts everywhere during World War 2. So, I don't think historians will think negatively on people using escapism during war time.
For god sakes, Fen, if you are going to patronize, at least get to know your entertainment history before passing judgments on those who create it and those who watch it.
And, for the record, my brother has gone to Iraq and will be going back in the fall. So, you think twice before calling people across the board socially irrresponsible for liking something that isn't depresssing. Never for a moment do I forget my brother could be in danger, could be injured or killed when he was/is (going back) over there. However, just because I happen to enjoy DC doesn't mean I forget that fact while I am watching it, you bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you have any other pearls of wisdom you would like to give to me, Fen? Hopefully, however condescending you appear to be, you won't shove your foot in your mouth once again as least regarding who is and isn't socially irresponsible and what is and isn't socially irresponsible to watch/listen to/create during wartime. However, knowing you, I expect you'll have to say something in the end because you must be right regardless of whether you are right or not.
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#59re: Drowsy Chaperone - Won the Lottery and thoughts
Posted: 5/26/07 at 1:15am
Wild ROses, I never meant to insinuate anything about you personally. You are taking this all too much to heart Im just offering a differing opinion into the conversation.
Please dont think anything is aimed at your personally.
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Wild Roses
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#60re: Drowsy Chaperone - Won the Lottery and thoughts
Posted: 5/26/07 at 6:41pm
Well, I am bound to take it personally when you word things the way that you do. Next time, please take into consideration how the context might come off sounding since you don't know who is and who isn't personally affected by this war on the forum.
However, I am willing to overlook it.
And, as far as being socially irresponsible goes, people don't usually become that way until after the war is over. Historical examples: 1920s, 1950s, 1980s. In all these cases, the culture was so affected by WWs 1 and 2, and Vietnam that rather than deal with the effects at hand, they all became frivolous, self-absorbed types. (Gotta hand it to DC for catching that bit of the 1920s so particularly.) Partying, getting drunk, giving new meaning to consumerism in all its forms was the reaction to the war.
How does this differ from the the poplite entertainment created during the war itself? Well, there was more of a an effort to give value even to the entertainment aspects of it. For example, the counterculture revolution--the same ones who protested the war, fought for Civil Rights and feminism--challenged Hollywood by giving it art house films (there had been art house films prior to the 1970s, but not American created and not mainstream) but also gave us the special effects blockbuster as well. Back then, special effects films were special because no one in Hollywood thought audiences would want to see popcorn flicks with throwaway plots and interchangable stars. So what they were doing was groundbreaking even though we don't think of special effects blockbusters as groundbreaking. The spec effects films were their way of dealing with the war and having some fantasy to turn to.
Fenchurch
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#61re: Drowsy Chaperone - Won the Lottery and thoughts
Posted: 5/26/07 at 6:58pm
"As for when historians look back. Well, going back to my World War 2 example, although plenty of people were using tv, radio, movies, and musical theatre to provide escapism, these same people are often viewed as part of the Greatest Generation for their sacrifices both within and outside the war"
What "same people" are you referring to? That's a big generalization. And remember, the way people were and the way people "are viewed" are almost always at odds. I believe Edward Said asked the question most eloquently, what is more important, what really happened or what people think happened?
"Back then, special effects films were special because no one in Hollywood thought audiences would want to see popcorn flicks with throwaway plots and interchangable stars."
Really? You've obviously never seen a film directed by Busby Berkeley or any of the myriad motion pictures that were made before then. Come on, special effects or pretty girls, the motion picture industry has never been afraid of making movies with throwaway plots...come on.
I know where you're coming from, Wildroses, but I don't see much to your argument, while you may believe them wholeheartedly, there's not much fact to back them up. I appreciate your conversation, though.
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playbillguy
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#62re: Drowsy Chaperone - Won the Lottery and thoughts
Posted: 5/26/07 at 7:09pm
I totally disagree with you......"Drowsy" is a very original musical with a fun story line, good laughs and catchy tunes.
I thought it made for a very enjoyable night at the Marquis....
.... Hey, it's lasted this long!
Come on..you had great seats and cheap!
Wild Roses
Understudy Joined: 10/23/06
#63re: Drowsy Chaperone - Won the Lottery and thoughts
Posted: 5/26/07 at 11:01pm
"Back then, special effects films were special because no one in Hollywood thought audiences would want to see popcorn flicks with throwaway plots and interchangable stars."
Really? You've obviously never seen a film directed by Busby Berkeley or any of the myriad motion pictures that were made before then. Come on, special effects or pretty girls, the motion picture industry has never been afraid of making movies with throwaway plots...come on.
I happen to be a film junkie and a Hollywood freak, thank you ver much. I have been ever since I was born. What I meant by special effects blockbusters were the action-action adventure summer flicks. You obviously don't know your film history otherwise you wouldn't understand why Spielberg and Lucas are made so big a deal out of. I also love the Golden Age of Hollywood and have long appreciated films from Hollywood's inception to current day.
Naturally, since you can't retread the glib entertainment in war time argument being socially irresponsible--because I have a brother who is actually in the war, a fact you suddenly seem keen on skipping over rather than admitting did you chose a poor choice of words and that those words were SERIOUSLY OFFENSIVE to those of us who happen to have family the war. You ****ing asshole. So you do what you do best, become a patronizer.
But good to know for all your talk about wanting serious art in war time, what you really want is for it to be ALL ABOUT F*CKING YOU. (I'm sticking firmly to this opinion until you find the decency to apologize for your tasteless remarks regarding who is and isn't/what is and isn't socially irresponsible in wartime. And I have the right to take it personally if you are going to lecture me about my comments/perceptions and then not be careful in how you word your own.)
And, yes I know the difference between perception and reality dear. It is just too bad you're own perception is so egotistic you won't actually listen or accept the opinions of others.
I also find it ironic that you hate the Man in Chair, yet with every post you come off sounding more and more like him.
Fenchurch
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/16/06
#64re: Drowsy Chaperone - Won the Lottery and thoughts
Posted: 5/26/07 at 11:22pm
Wildroses, You obviously have issues, but this is not the forum for them. I said nothing about the soldiers, or this war in particular (and I could say a Helluva lot). I am a staunch (S-T-A-U-N-C-H) supporter of our troops, and I have performed frequently at Veterans events and programs, and I have a family member involved in the military as well as a close high school friend, John McKenna, who died in Iraq last year, but I don't let my personal fears about my family and friends safety cloud my judgement about politics.
The only thing I offered was an opposing argument to your points about society and entertainment during wartime, and the last time I checked, that wasn't against the Patriot Act.
However, if you can quote directly what exactly it was that generally offensive to our troops rather than just something that personally ruffled your feathers (for which I've already offered mitigation) then I will certainly apologize. I am perfectly within my rights to criticize the society we live in, and you are completely out of line to try to shame me into apologizing for my views.
I never suggested that people who go to these shows are socially irresponsible, in fact, the other way around, I think perhaps producers who get rich making drivel just to distract the masses are the ones who are socially irresponsible.
And I'm sorry, I don't buy your argument that " I have a Women Studies minor, and in many classes we talk about GLBT issues so I am not as naive as you believe I am regarding GLBT representations and media" and yet you said that The Man in Chair is possibly "A closeted gay"
In my experience, people who call homosexuals "a gay" usually aren't the most tuned in or sensitive to the LGBT experience, so forgive me if I find your credentials suspect.
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